I think I mentioned to you how I had kind of gotten to a point – well, that sounds like a definitive point, but I have just always felt like a major part of my being is to try to give back from this position that I'm existing in, where I have a lot of opportunities and life has been very good to me. I think that some people enter into the world in much more disadvantaged positions or challenging situations. And so I try to, you know, help in some way.

No, actually I volunteered, for I think it was like, I want to say it was over a year. I was working with – it could have been two different people over the course of the time that I was working. You know my memory is a bit fuzzy on it, because it was actually quite a while ago. But I do recall one person in specific, but I think it was actually two different people – something happened during the course of the treatment where they couldn't continue, or something like that happened. And then, you know, I got another person.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

You can always try it out and see what you think. And yeah, ironically, the first experience, the first person that I was matched with this time was a good example. You'll have a better sense once you start a process, whether or not it feels right for you. It'll either show itself to you that it's not possible, or it's not something that's kind of in alignment with what you're trying to do, or maybe you’ll have a stronger sense of what decision you'd like to make. But you won't know until you try it.

I liked being surprised – which is something I encounter in my own life on a regular basis – with a unique individual when I meet a person. It's kind of like I'm reading a book or something about my life story, and I don't know what the next page is gonna hold, or what it’s gonna be. And then I meet somebody. And I'm like, “Oh, this is so fascinating! This is really kind of intriguing and interesting.” And so it's nice.

I think, I went into this wanting to help. And sometimes you don't get to choose what happens. Actually, not sometimes. I think you don't actually ever really get to choose and you have to kind of go with what's happening, and accept the situations. And I I think that there were some moments where it was a little bit challenging for me to do that, like, I said, because I'm coming into this with a desire to help. So when a situation doesn't work out, I have to accept it. And I don't mean “I have to accept that” as a punitive statement. I mean it more of like, it requires relinquishing my desire to help momentarily.

Feeling the appreciation that a person expresses, for feeling valued, seen. I'd love to do nothing more than [give that to my client].

It is a subtle reminder that people are, you know, in different situations. Even though I try to regularly be cognizant of that, it is another form of reflecting that back to me. And personally, I feel like I'm making a difference. I feel like I'm doing some good. I also feel like, it sounds kind of funny, but how lucky we are that we found each other under such unusual circumstances!

Do you mean things that are related to psychology, or anything?

I'm really happy because I have been saying to myself for I don't even know how many summers in a row that I need to stop working on projects all the time and carve out some time to go down to the beach and enjoy the beautiful ocean and surf, and be out on the water while the sun's setting. And I get to do that, and I live here, and it's available to me every day. So just doing it more consistently has felt really, really nice. That has been a nice sort of change. And I've also been able to manage my projects without becoming consumed by them. So, this last year I was – I'm not a contractor – but I wanted to learn how to build a house. I felt like it was something I wanted to know how to do before I was no longer here. And so I did it. And then I wanted to write a book, and so now I'm in that process. But I'm still able to go to the beach and enjoy it.

Yeah. Did you grow up going to the beach, or was it more of an inland experience?

Very cool.

Thank you, it seems like you do a lot for the organization, you’re super helpful, super cheerful, so thank you, too!

Totally, thanks! And I hope you enjoy the things that you’re into, as well!

Okay, take care! Bye.